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[08:17] <waltervn> morning
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[10:29] <WooShell> good meowning =^.^=
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[10:45] <m_kiewitz> wjp: does anyone own King's Quest 6 for Mac?
[10:48] <wjp> the entry in our detection_tables.h for KQ6 Mac floppy was added by clone2727
[10:49] <m_kiewitz> yes, but does anyone else own it?
[10:49] <m_kiewitz> i mean clone2727 is gone :(
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[10:55] <wjp> don't remember
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[13:13] <rootfather> hehe, "Last-Translator" race conditions again :P
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[13:13] <_sev> it is just the way Weblate works...
[13:13] <_sev> I wish it could combine commits
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[13:41] <rootfather> _sev, yeah true...
[13:42] <rootfather> criezy: Is it possible to let weblate create a commit on each contribution (just as it is now), but only push it once a day?
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[13:59] <rootfather> hi criezy
[14:00] <rootfather> _sev btw, can we get mailing lists for the specific translations/localization teams?
[14:01] <criezy> hi rootfather
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[14:04] <_sev> rootfather: why?
[14:04] <_sev> rootfather: it's not like there is big chunk of activity and/or discussions
[14:05] <_sev> rootfather: btw, German translation has 79 failing checks. I suggest to take a look at those
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[14:07] <rootfather> _sev maybe it would make discussions that are specific to the language teams easier?
[14:10] <_sev> rootfather: there are comments on WebLate?
[14:13] <rootfather> are those comments only specific to one strings or is it possible to create comments that are visible on all strings? If we want to discuss some general things
[14:13] <rootfather> but maybe this is where the glossary should be used
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[14:23] <GitHub171> scummvm/master 6acbe91 Eugene Sandulenko: COMMON: Added Estonian language
[14:23] <GitHub171> scummvm/master 137173a Eugene Sandulenko: FULLPIPE: Add detection for Estonian version
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[14:39] <rootfather> and all the warnings are gone :)
[15:04] <rootfather> err... how is it possible that the size of translations.dat decreased from 608kB 5 days ago to 586K today? :D
[15:18] <snover> hello
[15:19] <rootfather> hi snover
[15:19] <snover> i see someone has been translating again& :)
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[16:22] <rootfather> snover, you there?
[16:22] <snover> yes
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[16:52] <rootfather> I just tried to compile snover's Munt 2.0.0 PR, using my trusty, old mingw64 installation.
[16:52] <rootfather> Compilation runs fine, but I get a linking error:
[16:52] <rootfather> audio/softsynth/mt32/libmt32.a(Synth.o): duplicate section `.rdata$_ZTVN7MT32Emu13ReportHandlerE[_ZTVN7MT32Emu13ReportHandlerE]' has different size
[16:52] <rootfather> no ccache, after "make clean", munt is not installed somewhere else
[16:52] <rootfather> any hints? :)
[16:57] <rootfather> hold a sec
[16:57] <rootfather> i have an idea
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[17:12] <WindlePoons> hi
[17:14] <WindlePoons> rootfather: i see in the weblate/German you use three dots for punctuation mark ("~O~ptionen...")
[17:15] <rootfather> yep
[17:15] <WindlePoons> i am co translator for Vivaldi Browser and we use ellipsis (&) instead of three dot (...)
[17:15] <rootfather> criezy, is that supported by the charset we use?
[17:16] <WindlePoons> Vivaldi use Webtranslate and works ;)
[17:16] <rootfather> yeah, the problem is not weblate, the problem is our gui rendering
[17:16] <rootfather> afaik we are quite limited in that regard
[17:16] <WindlePoons> ah ok
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[17:23] <rootfather> snover and everyone else: regarding my compilation problem
[17:24] <rootfather> does it make *any* sense that the linking problem disappears when I --enable-optimizations and returns when I compile without optimizations?
[17:24] <rootfather> a make clean was performed before each build.
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[17:37] <_sev> rootfather: remove all *.o files in audio/softsynth/mt32 and recompile
[17:38] <rootfather> _sev did that too
[17:38] <rootfather> my idea was that make clean wouldn't remove all the .o files, but I was wrong
[17:38] <rootfather> there were no *.o files at all
[17:39] <_sev> not make clean, but remove them manually
[17:41] <rootfather> what's the difference? I checked if there were any .o files left after a make clean, and there were none
[17:42] <rootfather> and I wonder why it fails without optimizations enabled, but works fine with --enable-optimizations
[17:42] <_sev> then remove everything in audio/
[17:43] <_sev> and if it doesn't help, then it is a bug in your compiler
[17:43] <_sev> everything = all *.o files
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[18:15] <criezy> WindlePoons, rootfather: indeed we are limited to 8 bits encodings, which means using ISO 8859-1 for German (and English, French, Spanish, Italian and a few others). And I don't think it contains an ellipsis character.
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[18:34] <WindlePoons> Windows-1252 with ellipsis, ISO 8859-1 without &
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[19:08] <omer_mor> m_kiewitz: I've got kq6-mac. What do you need?
[19:08] <m_kiewitz> i could have bought it today but it went above my bid
[19:08] <m_kiewitz> don't need it right now
[19:08] <omer_mor> oh, I thought you needed help debugging something :)
[19:10] <omer_mor> snover: do you know that KQ7-demo is crashing on start?
[19:10] <omer_mor> might be a low hanging fruit
[19:11] <omer_mor> ERROR:
[19:11] <omer_mor> parameter 0: 0001:0b37 (object), should be object
[19:11] <omer_mor> parameter 1: 0000:0000 (null, integer)
[19:11] <omer_mor> [VM] kDoSound(Play): signature mismatch in method kqMusic1::play (room 30, script 64989, localCall ffffffff)!
[19:11] <Lightkey> maybe an.. apple?
[19:11] <omer_mor> :/
[19:15] <snover> omer_mor: i havent checked demos except for games i dont own. i guess it is inevitable that every kq7 is messed up& :)
[19:17] <snover> there should be no second parameter for that call
[19:17] <omer_mor> This is the call: (DoSound sndPLAY self 0)
[19:18] <omer_mor> where sndPLAY == 8
[19:18] <snover> lsl6hires, qfg4, pq4, and gk1 also send that extra null argument, and have workarounds in kDoSoundPlay_workarounds
[19:19] <snover> so i guess the kq7 demo needs it too
[19:22] <omer_mor> snover: why not ignore the extra arguments always? SSCI seems to do that...
[19:25] <snover> that decision was made a long time before i started working on sci, and my understanding is that it is to avoid silent script bugs
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[19:29] <m_kiewitz> omer_mor: yes, it's done intentionally. Originally we ignored such things and then we had a weird bug here and another weird bug there
[19:30] <m_kiewitz> i implemented the signature checking to avoid such issues
[19:30] <omer_mor> OK
[19:31] <omer_mor> obviously, the SndPlay kernel sub-op was changed from supporting 2 parameters to 1
[19:31] <omer_mor> Any idea what the 2nd parameters was doing? Have you disassembled the interpreters that support it?
[19:32] <m_kiewitz> i haven't in that case. the signatures are checked for all kernel calls
[19:33] <omer_mor> I understand that you check the signatures. But why do you treat the 2-parameter version as a workaround?
[19:34] <omer_mor> Why not have different signatures for different versions?
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[19:35] <GitHub104> scummvm/master e535ba1 Eugene Sandulenko: FULLPIPE: Enable engine by default
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[19:35] <m_kiewitz> ???
[19:35] <m_kiewitz> there are different signatures for different versions
[19:35] <omer_mor> https://github.com/scummvm/scummvm/blob/master/engines/sci/engine/workarounds.cpp#L529
[19:36] <m_kiewitz> yes?
[19:36] <omer_mor> You have a workaround for DoSound(SndPLAY, ...) with 2 parameters
[19:36] <m_kiewitz> the actual signatures are defined with a version range
[19:36] <omer_mor> why workaround?
[19:36] <omer_mor> why do you work around this signature?
[19:36] <m_kiewitz> because the scripts call it with an extra parameter
[19:36] <m_kiewitz> which probably shouldn't be there
[19:37] <omer_mor> but the interpreter probably handle this extra parameter
[19:37] <omer_mor> and it was probably deprecated later on
[19:37] <m_kiewitz> i haven't entered SCI32 signatures, at least i think so
[19:37] <m_kiewitz> for sci16 there are also cases where the kernel didn't support some stuff and we had to add signatures as workarounds
[19:37] <omer_mor> workaround imply that this is a script bug or an oversight
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[19:38] <m_kiewitz> in case the kernel doesn't support that parameter, then it's indeed a script bug
[19:38] <snover> it is. sci32 doesnt use that parameter.
[19:38] <omer_mor> so that's why I asked if you disassembled any of the interpreters that pass this extra parameter
[19:39] <omer_mor> I wanted to know how you know it isn't being used
[19:40] <snover> because i disassembled the engine and it isnt used
[19:41] <snover> you can see there used to be a second argument in SIG_SOUNDSCI1EARLY
[19:41] <snover> the interpreter was updated but the system scripts werent, this is a common theme
[19:49] <WindlePoons> rootfather: https://translations.scummvm.org/translate/scummvm/scummvm/de/?checksum=6e7b34fa59e1bd229b207892956dc41c
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[19:49] <WindlePoons> "nie" or "Nie"?
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[20:15] <rootfather> WindlePoons I opted to choose lower casing for those dropdown menus, has a cleaner look in my opinion
[20:15] <rootfather> _sev, I think you are right that I hit a compiler bug with munt 2.0.0
[20:15] <rootfather> removed all .o from the entire scummvm directory. compiled without optimization - hit the error.
[20:16] <_sev> rootfather: ah, you're trying snover's 2.0.0 branch?
[20:16] <rootfather> then re-compiled with --enable-optimizations, this time even without removing the .o's, runs fine
[20:16] <rootfather> yes
[20:16] <_sev> well, I told, that adding STL to the mix will compromise portability
[20:16] <_sev> this is yet another proff of that
[20:16] <_sev> STL is too bloated in comparison with our common code in OSystem
[20:17] <rootfather> with munt 1.5.0 or whatever the current version is, I have no problem
[20:17] <rootfather> but why is it only causing problems with optimizations *disabled*?
[20:20] <_sev> because there are tons of nested template code. Very complex for compilers
[20:27] <wjp> Which compiler?
[20:28] <_sev> gcc 6.2.0
[20:28] <_sev> on mingw
[20:28] <wjp> Hm
[20:30] <wjp> vtable with size mismatch; interesting
[20:35] <snover> wjp: ~ReportHandler is not virtual, ~ScummVMReportHandler is virtual, so if it is a vtable size mismatch, i guess it might be this?
[20:36] <wjp> It is though?
[20:40] <snover> in cpp_interface.h, it isnt marked as virtual, though i dont know enough to say what happens when you subclass something with a destructor that isnt marked as virtual and then add a virtual destructor of your own
[20:40] <snover> its not necessary for the subclass to have the destructor
[20:41] <wjp> Oh wait, munt 2?
[20:41] <snover> its virtual in Synth.h, the destructor in ScummVMReportHandler is a hold-over mistake from before when it was not using the cpp interface
[20:41] <snover> yeah
[20:42] Action: wjp looks again
[20:42] <snover> unfortunately i do not have a compiler that is complaining about it so it is hard for me to check
[20:42] <wjp> (On phone, so somewhat handicapped)
[20:42] <snover> hey! no multitasking! ;)
[20:42] <snover> let me see if i can get gcc 6 in my vm quickly
[20:42] <snover> its still using 4.9.2
[20:43] <snover> my poor vm that seems to have broken networking, oh my.
[20:43] <wjp> That duplicate ReportHandler sounds like asking for trouble
[20:46] <wjp> Kind of odd
[20:47] <snover> my poor vm is so old.
[20:47] <snover> and i am running out of disk space with all these game images :)
[20:48] <wjp> Although the Synth.h one seems to be in a namespace
[20:48] <wjp> I think I'll stop looking at this until behind a proper screen
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[21:19] <_sev> snover: regarding your Munt patch
[21:19] <_sev> snover: I am not in favor of adding the STL dependency. So I'd rather redo the patch by myself
[21:25] <wjp> what STL dependency?
[21:29] Action: wjp builds gcc-6.2.0 in the meantime
[21:45] <wjp> ok, so, Synth.h and cpp_interface.h define two different MT32Emu::ReportHandler class in the same namespace
[21:45] <wjp> s/class/classes/
[21:46] <snover> oops :\
[21:47] <_sev> wjp: the one which is part of the munt 2.0.0 patch
[21:48] <wjp> _sev: not seeing it
[21:48] <wjp> unless the one unused <fstream> isn't #if 0'ed out
[21:48] <_sev> #include <cstring>
[21:48] <wjp> that's C
[21:48] <wjp> (-ish)
[21:49] <wjp> the only potential small problem I see is that mt32.cpp includes both <cstring> and <string.h> which could potentially cause some issues, but mt32.cpp is so simple that I don't believe there are risky things in there
[21:49] <_sev> right, only fstream is left now
[21:55] <wjp> (still building gcc-6.2.0... pfff...)
[21:58] <wjp> oh, there we go
[22:03] <wjp> for me it's not failing because c_interface.o doesn't actually get a copy of the vtable of ReportHandler
[22:04] <wjp> wait, cpp_interface?
[22:07] <wjp> ah, mt32.o and Synth.o indeed get those differently sized ReportHandler vtables
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[22:09] <wjp> I just don't know enough (yet) about these kinds of corner cases to know what's expected behaviour here...
[22:19] <wjp> rootfather: I think you should probably file a bug report with the munt people
[22:21] <snover> it could be my fault too for using the cpp interface without an externally built library
[22:21] <wjp> it's still asking for trouble
[22:23] <snover> _sev: of course you are welcome to do whatever youd like if you dont want it to land as-is, though i feel like its an overreaction to say this is proof of some STL problem since it& isnt
[22:23] <_sev> snover: yeah, I could be wrong with my statement about it
[22:24] <snover> phew. i finally have an up-to-date VM with gcc 6 in it too, but i gotta run for a while.
[22:25] <wjp> I'm thinking gcc 6 might not be the issue, but rather the linker
[22:25] <wjp> (well, "issue")
[22:30] <wjp> when compiling with optimizations, the ReportHandler vtable is dropped from mt32.o
[22:30] <wjp> presumably the compiler can deduce it isn't used
[22:31] <wjp> (since it in fact isn't)
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[22:50] <GitHub32> scummvm/master 6c0f87d Timofonic: I18N: Update translation (Spanish)...
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