ScummVM IRC Log - 09 Nov 2017

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[00:54] <GitHub41> [scummvm] dreammaster pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vFuRa
[00:54] <GitHub41> scummvm/master cd0f896 Paul Gilbert: XEEN: Changed multiAttack to rangedAttack
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[01:33] <snover> well, nothing has exploded with xcode 9.1, so so far so good.
[01:37] <snover> it looks like it actually finally has some c++ refactoring
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[03:45] <snover> OK, I looked through the list of all the open bugs and put all the crashers I found and couldnt deal with up to blocker status.
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[04:34] <Deledrius> :)
[04:35] <snover> im holding back the urge to close all tickets related to dead ports, for the moment. i really think they should get closed.
[04:40] <Deledrius> Which ports are currently dead but open?
[04:42] <snover> windows ce, ps2, symbian, ds, gamecube, wii, webos, caanoo, perhaps some others
[04:45] <snover> i just closed a 9-year-old ticket with an incomplete patch for java 2 micro edition&
[04:47] <snover> webos&
[04:50] <Deledrius> Shame about PS2 and DS, but I guess I don't even use those ports anymore. :/ No maintainers, I assume?
[04:50] <snover> no maintainers and nothing approaching a modern toolchain in the PS2 case
[04:51] <snover> in my experience, at some point in projects there gets to be so many bugs that people just think they can never get all of them fixed and give up, so since i have to review for the release anyway, i am trying to prune what i can to try to make things feel manageable again
[04:52] <snover> i once had a boss that would open tickets for every fleeting thought he ever had about some feature to add, which got demoralising for the team after a while
[04:55] <Deledrius> Yeah, I understand.
[04:56] <Deledrius> Probably for the best. If a resurrection for a port happens, they can always be re-opened and addressed anyway.
[04:56] <snover> i dont know what happened with these enhancement tickets, theres 140 of them with no category
[04:57] <snover> most of them are really old so i wonder if thats just because of the way the old old bug tracker worked
[05:05] <wjp> yeah
[05:05] <wjp> I had to get a bit creative to map things to Trac
[05:06] <snover> the good news is that i have a cliff named after me in the field of laborious bug tracker cleanup
[05:07] <wjp> I'm impressed by the amount of notifications I'm getting
[05:09] <wjp> there used to be three separate trackers: bugs, feature requests, and patches. I think each had their own set of category-likes
[05:09] <wjp> (and then things were passed through the classic-SF->Allura migration too)
[05:10] <snover> makes sense. the mapping went well, there was very little in bugs-type to fix.
[05:10] <snover> this would go faster if i knew all which engines all these games used. too many engines! :)
[05:16] <wjp> yeah...
[05:17] <wjp> http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/Engines helps
[05:30] <snover> well, i got it down to 48.
[05:30] <snover> 47.
[05:30] <snover> i should probably stop.
[05:35] <snover> ah, its 42. that seems like the best place to stop.
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[05:43] <snover> i would be interested in feedback on what to do with these very old tickets
[05:53] <snover> i set up a release blocker report, which is hopefully useful for people to review and start thinking about: https://bugs.scummvm.org/report/16. ill send this to the mailing list tomorrow as well.
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[06:54] <logix> snover: re: dead ports, I built more recent versions of scummvm/ds than the one on the downloads page a while back - unfortunately I never tested it, perhaps I should go back to looking at it
[06:55] <logix> I think the most recent release then and head both didn't build
[06:55] <logix> also, I got 10 or so binaries all supporting different engines, I'm not sure on the state of plugins on the ds port
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[07:01] <logix> hm, seems the last I built was 1.7.0
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[07:08] <logix> I suppose I could also try building wii
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[07:16] <logix> ah, this is the error I get with 1.8.0: miles_mt32.cpp:905: error: 'dynamic_cast' not permitted with -fno-rtti
[07:18] <logix> my devkitarm comes with gcc 4.4.3, I assume I need a more recent gcc for that
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[07:54] <logix> huh, I wonder why my devkitarm was so outdated, I had a tarball of a more recent build lying aroun
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[08:58] <waltervn> morning
[09:07] <Strangerke|work> Hi guys, hi waltervn
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[09:59] <logix> hm, ok, miles_mt32.cpp does a cast from a base type ptr (MidiDriver_BASE *) ptr to a ptr to a derived class (MidiDriver_Miles_MT32 *) and that requires dynamic_cast... I wonder if compiling that one file without -fno-rtti works
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[12:56] <GitHub172> [scummvm] dreammaster pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vFz35
[12:56] <GitHub172> scummvm/master fed68d1 Paul Gilbert: XEEN: Create a PowType enum for ranged arrow/spell types
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[15:47] <GitHub116> [scummvm] dreammaster pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vFzHm
[15:47] <GitHub116> scummvm/master 381567c Paul Gilbert: XEEN: Properly animate arrow shooting
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[16:04] <GitHub161> [scummvm] dreammaster pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vFz7G
[16:04] <GitHub161> scummvm/master cb90f86 Paul Gilbert: XEEN: Cleanup of PowType enum names
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[21:02] <Lightkey> twitch.tv/gogcom Heart of China got great graphics but otherwise I would rather prefer playing Flight of the Amazon Queen
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[21:29] <criezy> Hmm I am getting a warning about "text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//AudioToolbox.framework/AudioToolbox.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//AudioToolbox.framework/AudioToolbox are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking." since a few days.
[21:30] <criezy> Probably since I installed the Xcode command line tools with xcode-select as otherwise the tbd files are only in the SDKs directories I think.
[21:31] <criezy> I would not be that surprised if Apple shipped the wrong version of that pdb file with Xcode 9 for macOS 10.12...
[21:32] <criezy> Oh, I see in the logs that tsoliman had the same problem back in September! (that's one of the first hit I get when searching this error on Google :P )
[21:34] <tsoliman> I am google famous :)
[21:34] <tsoliman> I should write something like "nevermind I fixed it" and say nothing more
[21:34] <criezy> You mean "I deleted it"?
[21:34] <tsoliman> well .. no .. that would actually be informative
[21:35] <tsoliman> I was making a joke about https://xkcd.com/979/
[21:35] <tsoliman> also ... I should say I didn't fix it - I am ignoring that warning
[21:35] <criezy> :)
[21:35] <criezy> I didn't know that one.
[21:36] <tsoliman> what I am curious about is why there's 2 slashes in that path - it is as if one thing is putting a trailing slash and one thing is putting a leading slash
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[21:45] <tsoliman> criezy: maybe you can understand what is going on here https://github.com/ttsugriy/ld64/blob/master/src/ld/Options.cpp#L850-L859
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[21:45] <tsoliman> I am assuming modTime is mtime? I dunno
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[22:00] <criezy> That's what I would assume as well.
[22:01] <criezy> https://github.com/ttsugriy/ld64/blob/master/src/ld/Options.cpp#L117-L123
[22:05] <Lightkey> random 3D tank driving simulator included Oo
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[22:07] <logix> tsoliman: GRRRR https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4mfivYH5Hgs/WBoIabCjJ7I/AAAAAAAAkns/3oTsTb3wYnwLz9a99vSywC_Kg0BD31TLwCLcB/s1600/fist.gif
[22:07] <logix> tsoliman: (that's my reaction to that xkcd)
[22:11] <criezy> That is not the latest version of the source code though. And in the laters version they changed it to do something more complex and reinstated the warning.
[22:11] <criezy> https://opensource.apple.com/source/ld64/ld64-274.2/src/ld/Options.cpp.auto.html
[22:12] <criezy> with LinkerInterfaceFile::areEquivalent implemented in https://opensource.apple.com/source/tapi/tapi-1.30/tools/libtapi/LinkerInterfaceFile.cpp
[22:24] <criezy> I did have a quick look but that new code is a bit too complex to easily find why it might think the two files are out of sync.
[22:40] <snover> criezy: i have the same thing, i assume that they match again if you update to 10.13
[22:40] <snover> its a really frivolous warning since the only thing thats happening is your linking is a little slower
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[22:45] <snover> hopefully the updated 10.13 frameworks also fix the AudioUnits spamming the OS with bogus debug messages
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[23:12] <Lightkey> twitch.tv/gogcom and now Rise of the Dragon with PantslessAaron
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[23:13] <GitHub154> [scummvm] Risca opened pull request #1050: SDL: fix various OSD message artifacts (master...fix_osd_artifacts_on_pandora) https://git.io/vFgSx
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[23:26] <Lightkey> looks very much like a Tex Murphy game
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[23:27] <GitHub39> [scummvm] dreammaster pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFgHo
[23:27] <GitHub39> scummvm/master b0eb5ca Colin Snover: LURE: Stop taking address of unaligned pointer...
[23:27] <GitHub39> scummvm/master d8aab63 Paul Gilbert: Merge pull request #1049 from csnover/lure-unaligned...
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[23:28] <GitHub30> [scummvm] dreammaster closed pull request #1049: LURE: Stop taking address of unaligned pointer (master...lure-unaligned) https://git.io/vF0fU
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[23:52] <snover> hm. xcode 9.1 seems to be having a problem with IP-to-line translation in the debugger, its stepping around all over the place to lines which arent even part of a function.
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[23:58] <criezy> It's a bit unerving to see the mouse cursor jump to the top left corner of the window when switching between SDL surface and OpenGL!
[23:58] <criezy> I never noticed it before. As it always been doing that?
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