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[03:32] criezy: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GoogleDocs4MW this would be useful for the game testing stuff i am doing [03:37] this system should be extensible to the scummvm release testing, so nobody would have to manually update the wiki pages for those too [04:15] i think im done fiddling with all of this, so barring any last minute no wait! comments from someone, I will put out the testing news tomorrow and get that rolling [05:00] Uhfgood (~Captain_J@97-96-80-60.res.bhn.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:14] vinayakvivek (uid121616@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-knfataslujfmgmin) joined #scummvm. [05:24] peterkohaut (~Peter@188.113.78.206) joined #scummvm. [05:33] ny00123 (~ny00123@bzq-109-66-203-148.red.bezeqint.net) joined #scummvm. [05:45] Nick change: ced117_ -> ced117 [05:45] ced117 (~ced117@ghost.ced117.net) left irc: Changing host [05:45] ced117 (~ced117@opensuse/member/ced117) joined #scummvm. 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[06:44] omer_mor_ (~Omer@46-117-132-33.bb.netvision.net.il) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [07:19] Nick change: enthusi_ -> enthusi [07:55] peterkohaut_ (~Peter@188.113.78.206) joined #scummvm. [07:58] peterkohaut (~Peter@188.113.78.206) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:01] TMM (~hp@fsf/member/pdpc.professional.tmm) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [08:03] snover: I just made a quick test on my test wiki and the extension can be installed without causing issue (I have not tested that it actually works). [08:03] I can add it to the live wiki this evening if you want it. [08:04] peterkohaut (~Peter@188.113.78.206) joined #scummvm. [08:06] peterkohaut_ (~Peter@188.113.78.206) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:11] TMM (~hp@fsf/member/pdpc.professional.tmm) joined #scummvm. [08:11] #scummvm: mode change '+o TMM' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [08:16] peterkohaut_ (~Peter@188.113.78.206) joined #scummvm. 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[16:23] #scummvm: mode change '+o criezy|Work' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [16:23] oh, by the way, if anyone sent me PMs in the past couple weeks and hasnt gotten a response, I have been having some connection trouble, so send them again [16:24] snover: https://github.com/scummvm/scummvm-sites/tree/wiki [16:25] (and should really remove the MathJax and SyntaxHilight extensions from there since we now using unmodified ones) [16:35] m_kiewitz (~m_kiewitz@scummvm/undead/m-kiewitz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:36] t0by (~t0by@unaffiliated/t0by) joined #scummvm. [16:36] #scummvm: mode change '+v t0by' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [16:51] ajax16384 (~User@109.60.130.33) joined #scummvm. [16:51] #scummvm: mode change '+o ajax16384' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [16:54] criezy|Work: would you like me to remove those? i am about to push the updated GoogleDocs4MW to there. [16:55] m_kiewitz (~m_kiewitz@x4d03d19d.dyn.telefonica.de) joined #scummvm. 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[19:06] snover: the updated extension should now be live on the wiki [19:08] peterkohaut (~Peter@188.113.78.206) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:17] Nick change: peterkohaut_ -> peterkohaut [19:28] criezy: it works, but it looks like i need to make one more tweak to avoid double scrollbars in firefox [19:31] double scrllbars as in one for the spreadsheet and one for the page? [19:32] one for the iframe and one for the spreadsheets own layout handling [19:33] this really seems to be a bug with google sheets html view, i dont know why they explicitly set html { overflow: visible; } [19:34] (works in chrome? ship it!) [19:34] I don't have that myself with Firefox. It behaves exactly like Safari and Chrome for me, with only one scrollbar. [19:35] criezy: are you using macos with just a trackpad? [19:35] No. I am scrolling with a magic mouse. [19:36] hm. so your scrollbars are always shown, not only when scrolling? [19:36] Oh, actually no. [19:36] There are always shown with Safari but not with firefox. [19:37] And they are always shown with Chrome as well. [19:40] Vampire0_ (~Vampire@jEdit/Vampire) joined #scummvm. [19:42] id try to blame mozilla but i can never find anything in bugzilla. foiled! [19:42] Vampire0 (~Vampire@jEdit/Vampire) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:47] peterkohaut (~Peter@188.113.78.206) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:48] peterkohaut (~ec2-user@ec2-52-57-206-182.eu-central-1.compute.amazonaws.com) joined #scummvm. [19:49] SylvainTV (~SylvainTV@LFbn-1-8392-241.w81-254.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #scummvm. [19:49] #scummvm: mode change '+o SylvainTV' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [20:04] peterkohaut_ (~Peter@188.113.78.206) joined #scummvm. [20:07] peterkohaut_ (~Peter@188.113.78.206) left irc: Client Quit [20:42] _sev_ (~sev@scummvm/undead/sev) joined #scummvm. [20:42] #scummvm: mode change '+o _sev_' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [20:42] _sev (~sev@scummvm/undead/sev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:10] GitHub91 (~GitHub91@192.30.252.42) joined #scummvm. [21:10] [scummvm-web] csnover pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v9cM1 [21:10] scummvm-web/master 9ef9664 Colin Snover: WEB: Add SCI2/2.1 testing announcement [21:10] GitHub91 (GitHub91@192.30.252.42) left #scummvm. [21:11] so, to whomever can deploy a site update, i guess this is ready whenever. [21:12] i kind of feel like i would like to have some feedback mechanism for the way test results are being collected, since this is different from the past, but i am not sure exactly what that would look like other than&another form [21:14] Since the announcement need to be added to the forum as well (at least that's what we do for all other announcements), you could ask that there. [21:14] jammm (~jam@106.193.241.60) joined #scummvm. [21:14] Also in the forum post it might be worth making even more clear that we expect users to use the form and not post in the forum as we used to do. [21:15] jamm (~jam@unaffiliated/jamm) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:15] OK. The web site is updated. [21:15] Begas_VBox (~Begasus@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be) left irc: Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred! [21:17] And I have a fresh macOS PPC build almost ready. [21:18] I'm not sure if I have a forum account... [21:18] I'll have to check later when I am back at my desk [21:18] I can add the announcement on the forum. [21:19] Any other steps that I missed, could you put at http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/HOWTO-Engine_Release? [21:20] And, yes please do that thing you said, thanks :) [21:21] _sev_ or Strangerke will need to handle the Twister/Facebook update though. [21:22] Hmm that point 6 is a bit wrong since the AUTHORS file should not be edited directly. [21:24] Begas_VBox (~Begasus@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be) joined #scummvm. [21:25] Fixit! :) [21:25] Done. [21:26] Thanks again! [21:26] I have some time while I am waiting for my PPC build to finish. [21:27] I forgot how slow that was... [21:32] Dual g5? [21:33] intel core duo [21:36] Nick change: Vampire0_ -> Vampire0 [21:44] OK, the forum post is live (and converting news post syntax into phpBB syntax is a bit painful!) [21:44] Markdown everywhere forever ! [21:46] what was also painful is that phpbb does not correctly handle non-ASCII characters (it results in an empty preview) and you had a couple of curly double quotes and one curly single quote in there. [21:47] Hm. I know phpbb itself supports Unicode [21:47] I hoped it threw an error telling you this or maybe you've done it enough to not be caught off guard by it :) [21:48] It does. [21:48] And it doesn't [21:48] It does support unicode. [21:48] And it doesn't throow out an error [21:48] (that might be clearer that way :P) [21:49] But I have had this issue in the past so I was not caught off guard. As soon as I saw an empty preview I knew what the issue was. [21:49] There is a bug report in the phpBB tracker somewhere about this issue as well. [21:52] I like paradoxes so those sentences were great [21:55] <_sev_> I'm posting on FB [21:55] <_sev_> which picture to use? [21:59] <_sev_> snover: ? [22:00] _sev_: Picture? (Sorry, I don't know anything about Facebook) [22:00] <_sev_> snover: I normally use a picture with the post [22:00] <_sev_> brings much more attention [22:00] <_sev_> e.g. a notable screenshot or something [22:01] <_sev_> snover: got any? [22:02] I'm on my phone right now :/ Gabriel Knight "day x" screen? [22:03] <_sev_> we've had that one earlier [22:03] <_sev_> or still could be [22:04] <_sev_> okay, let me post it then without a picture [22:04] I have a GK day1 picture if you want. [22:05] <_sev_> please [22:06] It's the most iconic scene I can think of at the moment. [22:07] https://www.dropbox.com/s/ly7raj5ayw7x7qn/gk-day1.png?dl=0 [22:08] <_sev_> thanks! [22:09] <_sev_> done [22:09] Or if you prefer the uncropped one: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qjy3dmv5d5t1fmt/gk1-day1-uncropped.png?dl=0 [22:12] Begas_VBox (~Begasus@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be) left irc: Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred! [22:12] Begasus (~begasus@ptr-4p6jpinqfny6ntq1acd.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [22:20] snover: have you changed saved game patching for sci16 already? [22:20] as i said, we could use the current situation to change the save/restore game patching to the super class for sci16 [22:24] I moved it to guestadditions but didn't change how it works [22:26] i guess it would make sense to change it now [22:26] also: maybe we should mention that people shouldn't use fan patches at all [22:27] so that we catch issues that needs patching [22:27] better: blacklist the patches :P [22:30] I'm OK with whatever change you want to make to sci16 saveload [22:32] I'm uncertain about the patches at the moment. It sounds potentially reasonable but I want to think it over a bit [22:33] the point is that we should figure out what needs to get script patched and what doesn't [22:34] and that way we can also avoid issues that are caused by said patches [22:34] i should have time this weekend to go through that one qfg4 patch [22:34] and i also need to patch that last issue in colonel's bequest too [22:35] well at the very very least, we should always ask users if fan patches were used or not [22:36] i hope he's fine. He went back to Australia for 2 weeks or so. [22:38] are fan patches included in that google form? [22:50] Farmboy0 (~quassel@xoreos/farmboy0) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:56] ok, sorry, i am back at hq [22:56] where is ScummVM HQ? [22:56] earth, milky way [22:57] m_kiewitz: I didnt put a specific thing on the form about fan patches, but I did put in a field about game origin [22:58] btw anybody coming to VCFe in Munich tomorrow? [22:59] I can add a description on the game version question to tell people to say if they installed an unofficial patch; I can add another field that asks specifically about that; the wiki page SCI/Testing can be updated to tell users to remove any unofficial patches; or some combination of these things [23:00] A problem with just telling users to not install any unofficial patches is that GOG and Steam releases already have unofficial patches applied to them from the start [23:02] and in the case of QFG4, those patches are fairly massive [23:07] deitarion (~ssokolow@moinmoin/fan/deitarion) joined #scummvm. [23:07] well we can list all the files that should be removed [23:08] i don't own those games as GOG versions, but I own the actual original versions, so we should be able to figure out the files as soon as someone owns those versions. [23:08] I don't have the time to go through the bureaucracy of getting a Wiki account right now, but the KQ7 wiki page is wrong in a way which suggests the author brain-farted their way into skipping some content. [23:09] (Specifically, "Queen Valanice is transported to the desert land of Eldritch. She has been turned into a troll, and is engaged to be married to the king of the trolls." Between those two sentences, it needs's a "Meanwhile, Rosella..." sentence.) [23:11] (The plot is that Rosella dives into a portal, Valanice follows her, Rosella get's pulled out of the portal mid-stream and turned into a troll while Valanice continues on and lands in the desert as a human.) [23:14] vinayakvivek (uid121616@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-knfataslujfmgmin) left irc: Quit: Connection closed for inactivity [23:20] deitarion: can you go through the bureaucracy of sending me a replacement that i can drop in? :) [23:21] No problem there. Just give me a sec to get into the right mindstate to try to match the style of what's already written. [23:24] take your time, i need to go away for 10 minutes again. busy, busy. [23:25] deitarion: oh.. Phoronix, took me way too long to remember where I know that username from [23:26] *chuckle* One of the more immature places I hang out. [23:26] You might also know me as "ssokolow" somewhere. [23:26] that's your username [23:27] ...? deitarion is supposed to be my IRC nick. Is Pidgin lying to me on my local-end chatlog? [23:27] deitarion is your nickname [23:28] and deitarion/SSokolow is what you put for your realname [23:28] see: * [deitarion] (~ssokolow@moinmoin/fan/deitarion): deitarion/SSokolow [23:28] Ahh, yeah. I'm on so many different sites that I can never remember what I put. [23:28] (deitarion is my IRC nick, ssokolow is the nick I've been using almost everywhere else since I first got Internet access in 1997, and, on various occasions, I've tried to make the connection clear, but I don't do it consistently.) [23:28] nickname/username/host/realname [23:31] ...and I can never remember which one I use where. [23:32] (Well, aside from "It's 'ssokolow' as the login credential unless the site expects and e-mail or 'ssokolow' was taken.") [23:33] ajax16384 (~User@109.60.130.33) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:33] OK. I've tried to keep the original text as unchanged as reasonably possible, so I mostly just inserted some new content in the middle. [23:34] only saw the connection thanks to pabs in #debian-games logs agreeing to what you wrote as comment to https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Open-Source-Game-Faltering [23:35] WooShell (~Markus@ipbcc07076.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) left irc: Quit: If you understand or if you don't, if you believe or if you doubt - There's a universal justice, and the eyes of truth are always watching you. [23:35] Ahh. [23:35] snover: How do you want me to send you the revised text? [23:37] Lightkey: If you don't mind my asking, which comment was pabs agreeing to? I made quite a few in that thread. [23:37] the first I would guess [23:39] *chuckle* Even that one has two separate agreeable points. (One about Quake 3 clones being the least interesting of what open-source game development is producing and one about the gulf between the technical and open-source communities and how it has harmed efforts to produce open-source games.) [23:40] deitarion: anything is fine. pm, gist, semaphore [23:40] I'll use PM. The first paragraph is unchanged, but included for context. [23:41] (I also managed to preserve the latter half of the last paragraph.) [23:48] snover: the jingle thing in GK1 definitely worked before [23:49] m_kiewitz: i dont think i know what that is [23:49] ? [23:49] jingle thing? [23:49] the jingle that plays when you get points [23:50] one second while i get some points [23:51] im looking for it on youtube [23:51] its a few notes [23:52] no idea if it's a sample or music [23:52] i always thought it was a sample [23:52] it plays in adlib, it seems to not play in general midi?? [23:52] yikes i find the silly remake all the time [23:53] that would be really weird [23:54] plays in mt-32 [23:54] Joefish (~ident@p200300C6F3C5490009A6017571C94594.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:55] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5LwDCjVjfI [23:55] 14:25 [23:55] oh you found it [23:56] may be an issue with the current midi parser [23:59] yeah, i just grabbed the tweezers at the start of the game [23:59] if theres something thats not working right, it is definitely probably going to be MIDI :) :( [00:00] --- Sat Apr 29 2017