ScummVM IRC Log - 31 Aug 2016

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[01:45] <tsoliman> https://www.humblebundle.com/sierra-bundle !!
[01:46] <dreammaster> Yep, and if you pay the $20, you get the full new Kings Quest episode series as well. Though by all accounts it isn't great, it's still probably worth a play for us old-time fans
[01:46] <tsoliman> in case you needed even more copies of classic sierra games
[01:46] <tsoliman> I own most of these on GOG and Steam and physically
[01:47] <tsoliman> dreammaster: I got Episode1 for $1 in a sale - did you like it?
[01:48] <tsoliman> I didn't play it yet - I usually wait for the series to shake out - don't like waiting for months for the next episodes
[01:49] <dreammaster> Dunno, never purchased it previously. Which is one reason why I've bought the Humble Bundle. Plus it had a few other miscellaneous games I didn't have, like Shiftlings, which looks mildly amusing
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[01:50] <tsoliman> I am going through my library trying to find out what I don't have (and thus the value of dropping $20 on this) and indeed Shiftlngs is something I never heard of before
[01:50] <dreammaster> Velocity 2x looks kind of interresting too
[01:51] <tsoliman> ok - sold
[01:51] <tsoliman> I wonder what happens if the average goes above 10 or 15
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[01:53] <tsoliman> I suppose they might be all independent checks - I always thought of them as progressive
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[02:51] <GitHub171> scummvm/master d9fb4a2 Paul Gilbert: TITANIC: Fleshed out CMusicRoom & CMusicHandler setup
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[06:38] <borosky> https://www.humblebundle.com/sierra-bundle
[06:38] <borosky> pretty cool bundle
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[07:22] <t0by> morning
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[07:43] <Strangerke|work> hi guys
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[11:13] <m_kiewitz> anyone using dropbox on here? https://www.troyhunt.com/the-dropbox-hack-is-real/
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[11:41] <t0by> oh lord
[11:41] <t0by> https://haveibeenpwned.com/
[11:57] <m_kiewitz> yeah, "does anyone know my e-mail address?" - "enter it here to find out" lol :P
[12:10] <t0by> m_kiewitz, depends. There have been, apparently, breaches which included something more than that.
[12:11] <m_kiewitz> yes, sure. I meant that website. I wouldn't enter my e-mail address on one of those. It would be a nice way to collect valid e-mail addresses for spam
[12:11] <t0by> O,h yes, sure.
[12:12] <t0by> I must say that I haven't had a spam problem in years if not decades
[12:12] <t0by> Gotta love them classifiers.
[12:12] <m_kiewitz> yes, me neither. because i don't give my email address away :P
[12:12] <t0by> I mean, I literally receive one spam mail per minute
[12:12] <t0by> but none gets past the spam folder.
[12:14] <m_kiewitz> ah, i don't get any spam at all. My spam folder gets regular emails every few days or so
[12:14] <m_kiewitz> (incorrectly detected)
[12:15] <m_kiewitz> well atm it seems that sourceforge doesn't forward e-mails anymore, at least for me
[12:16] <m_kiewitz> i should have gotten multiple e-mails by now, but nothing shows up :(
[12:19] <bgK> m_kiewitz: same for me, the emails sent to my sf.net alias are neither received nor bounced
[12:19] <m_kiewitz> yes, really weird.
[12:26] <t0by> m_kiewitz, haveibeenpwned is owned by that same troy guy you linked to, though.
[12:27] <t0by> I guess it qualifies as "possibly semi-reputable"?
[12:27] <m_kiewitz> bgK: weird, i just sent a test-mail and that one actually showed up right now
[12:27] <t0by> The again it's 2016 and even a "reputable" manufacturer like Dell ships machines with spyware...
[12:27] <m_kiewitz> t0by: that other site doesn't want me to enter personal data :P
[12:28] <m_kiewitz> although sure, he could of course also fabricate that article so that more people use his e-mail pwned site
[12:28] <t0by> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Tin_foil_hat_2.jpg
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[12:49] <bgK> m_kiewitz: interesting, it's still not working for me
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[13:05] <rootfather> g'day
[13:48] <t0by> [md5]_, and somaen by extension: I'll have a look at those PRs sometime *either* after the 5th or after the 19th (still not sure).
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[14:16] <m_kiewitz> wow
[14:16] <m_kiewitz> http://fusion.net/story/339018/facebook-psychiatrist-privacy-problems/

[14:17] <m_kiewitz> and

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[14:20] <ST> imo the latter is more likely
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[15:21] <t0by> My actual question is why an MD would actually need a Facebook account. You're an MD, you probably own a BMW and go to jazz club, not a college kid who uses Facebook, bascailly, to get laid. Eh.
[15:21] <t0by> "When Lisa looked at her Facebook profile, she was surprised to see that she had, at some point, given Facebook her cell phone number. Its a number that her patients could also have in their phones."
[15:21] <t0by> And so why again are you using your work number for... Facebook.
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[16:09] <WooShell> meow =^.^=
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[16:50] <m_kiewitz> t0by: it's about a psychiatrist. It makes sense that those give out their private telephone number. They are basically meant to be "paid friends" with the patient in a way.
[16:51] <t0by> Hum... it also makes sense that they have a private telephone number for "paid friends" and a private telephone number for actual private stuff? :P
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[16:52] <GitHub52> scummvm/master c585b66 Paul Gilbert: TITANIC: Rename CMusicHandler to CMusicRoomHandler for better clarity
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[16:55] <m_kiewitz> t0by: no the point is - let's say one of your patients is suicidal and wants to talk to you right now, at 22:00 in the evening/night. You wouldn't want to take multiple phones with you and also wouldn't tell that person that he should call tomorrow again when you are "working"
[16:57] <m_kiewitz> and i mean this whole thing is bad in any case. Let's say facebook uses your phone numbers to connect you to all sorts of people.
[16:58] <m_kiewitz> and you saved the regular phone number of your doctor's office, then facebook will be able to easily link you. And it's getting worse depending on the doctor's field.
[16:59] <m_kiewitz> for example at my hospital, there is a special outpatient treatment for HIV only. There are all sorts of data protections in place for that one.
[17:00] <m_kiewitz> but you could easily link phone numbers in case you have access to them.
[17:01] <m_kiewitz> let's even say that the phone number is entirely private (I have no idea how that part is handled, I have nothing to do with phones)
[17:01] <m_kiewitz> but you could still link all of these people together that way.
[17:02] <m_kiewitz> and let's say the direct calling number is not a completely different phone number, but part of all the regular phone numbers, then you would at the very least now: "special telephone number to hospital X, phone number not listed so probably special treatment".
[17:03] <m_kiewitz> then you find out through maybe facebook posts or whatever that 3 people have HIV, and bingo
[17:03] <m_kiewitz> *know
[17:08] <WooShell> i wish this whole idea of user profiling for targeted marketing would die the painful death it deserves... perhaps then companies would start considering personal data as the toxic asset that it really is, and keep less of it
[17:08] <m_kiewitz> yes, but well it gets those companies money, so there you go.
[17:08] <m_kiewitz> and i bet the NSA etc. also really love that companies do that (for them).
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[17:09] <m_kiewitz> that's exactly the reason why I don't have a smart phone :P
[17:09] <m_kiewitz> which possibly marks me on some "terrorist" list as well.
[17:09] <m_kiewitz> and now I even said "terrorist". Guantanamo, here I come :P
[17:10] <WooShell> i'll crowdfund a rescue drone for you if it comes to that ;)
[17:10] <m_kiewitz> what's really funny however is that hospitals, like the one I'm working for, are supposed to do all sorts of stupid data protection things
[17:10] <m_kiewitz> like for example limiting doctor's access to patient data etc. make the doctors jump through hoops and so on.
[17:10] <m_kiewitz> absolutely silly.
[17:11] <WooShell> it's a constant arms race.. one side tries to protect their data better and better, and the other side tries to intrude and collect as much as they can possibly get
[17:11] <m_kiewitz> according to those data protection people only the doctor, who is actively treating a patient, should be allowed to access the data.
[17:11] <m_kiewitz> anyone who has a bit of clue will see that as a stupid and laughable idea.
[17:11] <m_kiewitz> even from a technical standpoint.
[17:12] <m_kiewitz> I think we had limited doctor's access to data at some point and the result was that another doctor helped out and simply sent out or printed out that data and gave it to the other doctor.
[17:13] <m_kiewitz> doctors are normally trying to help people, treat people, not spy on them. We do access protocols, so it's not a problem in any case.
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[17:14] <m_kiewitz> our nursing staff however is almost immediately blocked off as soon as a patient leaves. That's not a problem, because those people actually do not need access after that.
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[17:23] <t0by> m_kiewitz, well, I would *actually* carry two phones with me. People who have to be available for emergency calls do that all the time :^)
[17:24] <m_kiewitz> im not sure, what our doctors are doing in those cases. But anyway, a psychiatrist needs to be available in some way for emergencies all the time.
[17:25] <t0by> Good: don't use the number you use for emergencies for Facebook or personal stuff.
[17:25] <t0by> I think you see how there are many other reasons not to.
[17:25] <m_kiewitz> as i said - they probably don't have a special line for emergencies. they have a line for patients, which may simply be their regular phone line.
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[17:26] <t0by> And that's silly.
[17:26] <m_kiewitz> for a psychiatrist, not really.
[17:26] <t0by> O_o
[17:26] <t0by> Why not.
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[17:26] <t0by> Get another number, get another phone, possibly a non-smart one with a long battery life, keep it with you at all times.
[17:27] <t0by> I think that's what professionals who have to answer emergency calls do that all the time.
[17:27] <m_kiewitz> they would have to take 2 phones with them then all the time.
[17:27] <t0by> m_kiewitz, yes.
[17:27] <t0by> but good news
[17:27] <t0by> Nokia 6120 is half the weight of an Iphone
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[17:27] <t0by> so you can take two of those :P
[17:28] <m_kiewitz> are non-smartphones even sold anymore? i have no idea.
[17:28] <m_kiewitz> and i thought Nokia was dead? :P
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[17:28] <t0by> Really, "have a separate phone" is just common sense. Also in case: you want to shut your personal phone off, your battery runs out, you get malware, your phone breaks, etc.
[17:29] <t0by> Or even more basic: you want to be able to be on the phone with a friend, for long, and still hear the emergency phone ringing if the worst happens.
[17:30] <t0by> Really, that's what people who have to be on call do all the time.
[17:30] <t0by> This particular person was a bit of a klutz.
[17:30] <m_kiewitz> as i already said - for psychotherapist every call may be an emergency
[17:30] <m_kiewitz> and having 2 numbers wouldn't have solved this facebook problem regardless
[17:30] <m_kiewitz> you would have to get one phone per patient
[17:31] <t0by> ?
[17:31] <t0by> m_kiewitz, I really think I am expressing myself somehow incorrectly.
[17:31] <m_kiewitz> as i already said - all those patients could have been linked together regardless
[17:31] <t0by> "Every call might be an emergency" - good! And people call you on your work. Phone. For. That.
[17:31] <t0by> Which you don't. Use. For. Facebook.
[17:32] <m_kiewitz> it seems you don't know psychotherapists :P
[17:32] <m_kiewitz> and i say it over and over again - the patients would have been linked together regardless
[17:32] <t0by> m_kiewitz, what am I saying that's so... weird?
[17:32] <m_kiewitz> and in case that number is listed anywhere, then it would be this exact situation again
[17:33] <t0by> Disregard for a moment the face that the patients would have been linked regardless.
[17:33] <m_kiewitz> or well in case patients called it "dr. blah", then facebook would have been able to find out as well
[17:33] <t0by> Yes, yes, but... how is "have a phone number for business, a phone number for friends"... weird?
[17:33] <m_kiewitz> well, that's the problem here, isn't it? that facebook basically finds out such patients.
[17:33] <t0by> Or... unapplicable in this situation?
[17:33] <t0by> AH
[17:33] <t0by> HERE IT IS
[17:33] <t0by> https://xkcd.com/1390/
[17:34] <t0by> and of course a classic, https://xkcd.com/743/ :)
[17:34] <m_kiewitz> imo facebook should simply die. but that's me :P
[17:35] <m_kiewitz> it's basically a non-mandatory surveillance site.
[17:35] <t0by> No objections from me.
[17:36] <m_kiewitz> the nazis were pretty stupid back then. Instead of actively spying on people, they could have created such a site and people would have given them all sorts of personal + private information voluntary.
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[19:14] <OmerMor> m_kiewitz: you know that the privacy norms are culture-specific, right?
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[19:14] <OmerMor> I believe the EU is much more privacy conscious then the USA
[19:14] <OmerMor> than*
[19:14] <OmerMor> And in Israel for example it's much less of a concern
[19:16] <m_kiewitz> do you really think that facebook wouldn't do this in the EU? Maybe they don't recommend "friends" in that way, but they surely have the exact same data in their database
[19:16] <m_kiewitz> which means someone can connect the dots
[19:17] <m_kiewitz> and surely will.
[19:17] <m_kiewitz> also the EU as a whole is a joke in that regard
[19:17] <m_kiewitz> for hospitals some insane data protection has to be done
[19:17] <m_kiewitz> on the other hand they are currently trying to get all of that medical data into a centralized database
[19:18] <m_kiewitz> and the latter simply makes no sense in case you wanted to actually protect the data
[19:20] <m_kiewitz> of course companies can't analyse such protected data and the data is highly valuable. So it makes sense what they are doing.
[19:22] <m_kiewitz> trying to keep it from people, who need access to the data to actually do proper work. And making it easier/actually possible for large corporations to get access to it.
[19:28] <t0by> m_kiewitz, OmerMor: the agreement accepted by users is exactly the same and afaik some US state law (or at least *a single* one whatever it is) applies. The problem of "do stuff differently depending on where the user is physically at any time" isn't even well-defined and that's not how the interwebs works usually, afaik?
[19:28] <m_kiewitz> that can't work anyway, yes
[19:29] <m_kiewitz> also as i said - they can simply hide it in a better way. You never know what those corporations are doing with the mass data collection. They surely won't throw it away.
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[19:29] <OmerMor> I'm not saying that facebook is acting different on different locales.
[19:29] <m_kiewitz> otherwise they wouldn't collect that data in the first place
[19:29] <OmerMor> I'm saying that you should consider that it bothers you more than others because of your notion of privacy
[19:30] <OmerMor> I don't find it too terrible
[19:30] <OmerMor> And I think facebook is an awesome service
[19:30] <t0by> I must say I don't fully get why people insist on the "spying" thing when talking about Facebook. That's... a minor flaw with respect to how utterly broken and evil and annoying the thing is. I was coerced into having an account for ~7 months, I can't for the life of me understand why people think it's a good idea to replace email and mailing lists with that... monument to nagware.
[19:30] <m_kiewitz> so you would be fine with people knowing which disease you have (in case you had one)?
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[19:30] <OmerMor> But I live in a culture that somewhat disregard privacy
[19:31] <t0by> "Service"? More like disservice :)
[19:31] <OmerMor> m_kiewitz: I rather they wouldn't, but I don't think it would be the end of the world either
[19:31] <m_kiewitz> I think Germany some years ago was a great example why such data shouldn't be collected in the first place. And nowadays it's way worse than back then in Germany.
[19:32] <OmerMor> t0by: facebook is terrible as a replacement for email, but for me it's the perfect replacement for Google Reader
[19:33] <OmerMor> once you fine-tune your feed (whitelist and blacklist stuff), it has some great content that is not available anywhere else
[19:33] <m_kiewitz> wait, what? a RSS aggregator? why not use RSS on your own computer?
[19:33] <OmerMor> And unfortunately is not indexed by search engine
[19:33] <OmerMor> no, facebook is not an RSS aggregator, but it is an aggregator. The content it aggregates for you is not availble on RSS or anywhere else on the internet.
[19:34] <OmerMor> And it's great content.
[19:34] <m_kiewitz> what content is that?
[19:34] <OmerMor> Avoiding facebook means you're missing out on tons of stuff
[19:34] <m_kiewitz> and shouldn't that content be free on the internet and not locked into one specific site?
[19:34] <t0by> and that's not downright evil?
[19:34] <m_kiewitz> and what stuff is that?
[19:34] <t0by> Exactly.
[19:34] <t0by> Here's the thing.
[19:34] <OmerMor> I follow some great pages by economists, some pages on science
[19:35] <OmerMor> Some about atheism
[19:35] <m_kiewitz> relevant papers are available right on the regular internet
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[19:35] <t0by> Which could be on some www server somewhere.
[19:35] <t0by> > about atheism
[19:35] <m_kiewitz> im reading quite a few medical papers, but surely not on facebook lol
[19:35] <OmerMor> I agree it would be best if the information was freely available on the internet over open standard protocols
[19:35] <OmerMor> But it isn't
[19:35] <t0by> I sort of wonder how can atheism *be* a topic, but this is probably flameworthy :)
[19:36] <t0by> OmerMor, here's an idea: let it be again?
[19:36] <OmerMor> And avoiding facebook means you have no access to it
[19:36] <OmerMor> t0by: let it be what?
[19:36] <t0by> OmerMor, true. And again, that's not downright insane?
[19:36] <t0by> I have to plug into a borg matrix that will physically change my life to read the classifieds?
[19:37] <OmerMor> t0by: Since in Israel the state and religion are not truly separated, there are many pages that deal with the absurdity of religion and how the country hurts our lives because of it
[19:37] <t0by> Like, I want to buy a used bicycle and I *have* to know about all this other stuff, be proactively made to "friend" people and "join" groups and see a whole lot of populist posts?
[19:37] <m_kiewitz> i would actually like to know which scientist would publish his/her papers on facebook only
[19:37] <t0by> No, but wait a minute.
[19:38] <t0by> Wait a second.
[19:38] <OmerMor> m_kiewitz: no scientist publishes on facebook. But there are great science pages that give snippets and summaries
[19:38] <t0by> Ew, snippets.
[19:38] <t0by> What are we, barbarians.
[19:38] <m_kiewitz> so the information is available somewhere else...
[19:38] <t0by> But wait a second.
[19:39] <OmerMor> m_kiewitz: In the case of snippets - of course. In case of opinions by economists I follow - it isn't.
[19:39] <m_kiewitz> i know for example some book about vegetarians, which actually cites the "China study" as a source but what's funny is that it says things, that are actually proven to be incorrect by the China study itself.
[19:40] <t0by> Fact: if you don't have a Facebook account, you miss on stuff. That used to be on flyers and on the www and your friends would actually show you their pictures. Now it's on facebook. So, how is the logical course of action *not* to fight it to the death?
[19:40] <m_kiewitz> you wouldn't know that in case you didn't check the data of the China study.
[19:41] <OmerMor> t0by: I believe it's a lost battle.
[19:41] <t0by> m_kiewitz, yes, that's the whole other problem of mountains of bullshit on social networks that *you can't block* by avoiding visiting the site or subscribing the RSS altogether.
[19:41] <t0by> OmerMor, and so?
[19:41] <OmerMor> m_kiewitz: There's lots of disinformation and errors everywhere. Facebook included. So what?
[19:41] <t0by> OmerMor, I certainly don't pick my battles based on the chance of winning.
[19:41] <OmerMor> t0by: I'm much more pragmatic
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[19:42] <OmerMor> t0by: wrong
[19:42] <t0by> OmerMor: right.
[19:42] <m_kiewitz> well that's the problem with those snippets especially. I don't see much use in those unless they link to the complete original. And then I would read that instead :P
[19:42] <OmerMor> There are 4 types of "relations" on facebook:
[19:42] <OmerMor> 1) None - you are not connected to that person / page / group
[19:43] <OmerMor> 2) Friend, but not following - You are friends with them, but don't get their s**t in your feed. They might still get yours if they choose to.
[19:44] <OmerMor> 3) Following - You get their content in your feed
[19:44] <_sev> Tkachov: we've got a generous donation specifically because of the cloud support was merged :)
[19:44] <_sev> s/of//
[19:44] <t0by> _sev, Tkachov: double yay!
[19:44] <OmerMor> 4) See first - Their content goes to the top of your feed.
[19:44] <_sev> see our FB page for details
[19:44] <t0by> _sev: you have mastered timing.
[19:45] <_sev> t0by: what do you mean?
[19:45] <t0by> _sev, we were precisely discussing "stuff you can find on facebook" :)
[19:45] <OmerMor> m_kiewitz: snippets are greet way to get exposed to interesting new stuff. They trustworthiness of the snippet depends on the one that wrote it, and you can try to follow the better ones.
[19:45] <OmerMor> great*
[19:46] Action: _sev reads up
[19:46] <_sev> ah, privacy
[19:46] <_sev> yes, who on earth registers business phone with online services?
[19:47] <OmerMor> t0by: The content that I like I mark as "See first". The content that I don't mind I mark as "Following". The rest I simply don't follow.
[19:47] <OmerMor> That's how I don't get to see boring pictures of someone's kids.
[19:47] <_sev> working at company which has one of the biggest BigData clusters, I can tell you that you my get a lot by deep learning
[19:47] <t0by> OmerMor: You know and I know that a lot of things you don't really wanna see are a click away. People invite you to things. You are suggested things. You follow one hyperlink from you neighbor's profile photo and end up on a neonazi page. The entire thing is *designed* to dump as much information in front of you as humanly possible. The floor is way too slippery.
[19:48] <t0by> OmerMor, also *people*. Those are the real problem. Actual people that get very hurt if you don't friend them, so you end up friending everybody, so people will... argh.
[19:48] <OmerMor> t0by: wrong again. It is designed to dump as much *interesting* content to you as possible. Otherwise people would leave the service. It doesn't make any business sense.
[19:49] <OmerMor> t0by: you can be friends with people, but not follow them. They are not aware of it.
[19:49] <t0by> OmerMor, oh come on. As if *interesting* content was what kept TMZ running instead of clickbaiting.
[19:49] <OmerMor> TMZ?
[19:49] <t0by> (Or any content mill full of actually uninteresting thing)
[19:49] <t0by> s)
[19:50] <OmerMor> I for one, unfollow every page that uses clickbaits.
[19:50] <OmerMor> My feed today is great - much better than my RSS aggregator (Feedly).
[19:51] <t0by> My feed is newspapers I subscribe, and beats your feed, for that matter :P
[19:51] <OmerMor> =)
[19:52] <OmerMor> newspapers are old-school. They often have hidden agenda (at least here). They tend to be very shallow.
[19:52] <OmerMor> I find much better content on (my) facebook.
[19:53] <t0by> OmerMor, frankly, I've had an account there for 7 months and it became the single most *gigantic* spam storm I've ever witnessed. *Every* annoying person in my life turned up there. People started inviting me to things full of... noise and no content. People. Stuff. Information. Memes. Tidibits. Snippets. Soundbites. Friggin' Facebook events for "let's go out tonight".
[19:53] <t0by> You could say "ah, but the system is okay, it's people that are wrong" - fine by me, the end result is the same.
[19:54] <t0by> All of human nature's worst vices, right there.
[19:54] <OmerMor> t0by: you're holding it wrong. :P
[19:54] <OmerMor> really
[19:54] <t0by> Also, one important thing.
[19:54] <OmerMor> You should sanitize your feed
[19:54] <OmerMor> And you'll get a great feed.
[19:54] <t0by> OmerMor, just to be clear; I don't want a feed.
[19:54] <OmerMor> very much like your RSS aggregator
[19:54] <t0by> I don't use RSS.
[19:54] <OmerMor> oh, well :)
[19:54] <t0by> But hey, there's worse. Once you have an account, people expect you to reach there.
[19:55] <t0by> I've missed social gatherings because people were like "oh, we switched places, wrote that on the facebook chat 1 hr ago!" multiple times.
[19:55] <OmerMor> t0by: I never felt any explicit or implicit expectation to react to stuff I don't care about.
[19:55] <t0by> "But people, you could send me a SMS! I'm freezing here!"
[19:55] <t0by> *could have sent
[19:56] <OmerMor> t0by: I rarely engage with people I actually know in RealLife(tm) over facebook.
[19:56] <OmerMor> I mostly just passively consume great content.
[19:56] <t0by> Then I'm not sure if you're doing it right or wrong.
[19:57] <t0by> Possibly you are doing it right because you avoid it ruining your actual life (but how do you do that? that's impressive)
[19:57] <OmerMor> I guess this platform can be used for many things, and I just to use it for my preferred use-case.
[19:57] <t0by> But also I'm not sure there is any "great content" in there - great enough to warrant 5 minutes of my limited time on earth.
[19:58] <OmerMor> Most of the stuff I consume is in Hebrew, so I can't recommend to you
[19:58] <OmerMor> But I'm sure you can do some content research in your preferred language.
[19:59] <OmerMor> There are some nice Sierra and Dynamix groups at facebook BTW
[20:00] <OmerMor> There are some past employees that hang out and share interesting stuff
[20:00] <t0by> So, let me get this right - Facebook is also guilty of hiding that stuff away from... people?
[20:00] <t0by> As I said, to the death.
[20:00] <OmerMor> =)
[20:08] <m_kiewitz> t0by: hiding all sorts of other stuff is fine by me. But stuff about Sierra? Now that's gone too far :P
[20:12] <OmerMor> For example, can you see this image: https://scontent.fsdv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14114854_1049004945148556_7735424306191698404_o.jpg ?
[20:12] <OmerMor> If you can't I'll upload it somewhere
[20:12] <OmerMor> This is from a Japanese Sierra catalog. Posted recently to a Sierra group.
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[20:17] <t0by> I have literally no idea what it says. I only recognize the chinese characters for "japanese language", "world", "america" in the title :P
[20:20] <m_kiewitz> pretty silly to do that on a special site, so not available via google. I own 2 or 3 Japanese Sierra catalogs. I guess photos of those could be made for our wiki.
[20:21] <t0by> oh yes
[20:21] <t0by> while we are at it
[20:21] <t0by> the search function in facespace is utterly broken.
[20:22] <t0by> and of course you can't have something else crawl the damn thing.
[20:25] <omer_mor> t0by: Yes, that's a real pity.
[20:25] <t0by> of course there is a very well known fix, simple to implement, known as "www"... :)
[20:26] <omer_mor> t0by: I work for Google, so not being able to crawl and index it it saddens me even more...
[20:26] <t0by> lol.
[20:26] <t0by> actually not l.
[20:26] <t0by> lowct
[20:27] <omer_mor> ?
[20:27] <t0by> "laughing through clenched teeth", it that's even the correct english word :)
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[22:01] <waltervn> I still haven't figured out how to use the coverity website, either that, or it's broken
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[22:07] <_sev> waltervn: what do you mean?
[22:07] Action: _sev checks
[22:07] <waltervn> it has never worked for me yet
[22:08] <waltervn> I keep getting "It may take a few minutes before you can view your defects, when you change your email or password or sign-in with Github for the first time.". It's been saying that for over half a year
[22:08] <_sev> but I do not see you registered with our project
[22:09] <waltervn> that's odd because I do see myself..
[22:09] <_sev> on scummvm?
[22:09] <waltervn> 4th from the bottom in the member list
[22:09] <_sev> ah, right
[22:09] <_sev> hm
[22:10] <_sev> do you see green/black interface?
[22:10] <_sev> there is logo in the left up corner
[22:10] <waltervn> maybe I should try revoking from the github side...
[22:11] <waltervn> I can see the project page which shows the defects per engine etc, but when I click "view defects" it tries to go to https://scan.coverity.com/projects/scummvm/view_defects and I get that messages I mentioned earlier, and then after a few seconds it goes back to "My Projects"
[22:12] <_sev> hm
[22:12] <_sev> it is definitely broken then
[22:12] <waltervn> I'll try revoking from github
[22:12] <_sev> try to run in incognito
[22:12] <_sev> or remove cookies manually
[22:12] <waltervn> I already tried different browsers, didn't help
[22:13] <_sev> I am not using github account, btw
[22:13] <_sev> maybe their oauth2 doesn't work
[22:13] <_sev> I just registered manually
[22:14] <waltervn> I see
[22:23] <waltervn> I have deleted the account and requested scummvm access again
[22:25] <_sev> granted
[22:25] <waltervn> and it's working now
[22:26] <_sev> \o/
[22:26] <waltervn> (still signing in with github)
[22:26] <_sev> at this moment there is a bug in their parser
[22:26] <_sev> it sometimes considers '->' and '.' operators as comma ','
[22:27] <_sev> which leads to bunch of useless warnings
[22:27] <waltervn> that's.. interesting
[22:27] <_sev> I am not touching those
[22:27] <_sev> and I've reported it to them
[22:27] <_sev> ...and they removed old version of the tool, so I cannot downgrade
[22:28] <waltervn> it's time for bed anyway, good night!
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[22:52] <criezy> Am I reading configure wrongly or does it really hardcode the use of SDL_net 1.2 library?
[22:52] <criezy> I suppose it would make sense to tie the use of either libSDL_net or libSDL2_net to the detected version of SDL (i.e. use libSDL2_net when using SDL2)?
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[23:01] <criezy> I will look at that again this weekend at a time when my brain still works.
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[23:47] <GitHub100> scummvm/master 1fe8b63 Paul Gilbert: TITANIC: Fix crash when loading second sound
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[23:47] <snover> dreammaster: yay! ive been resisting the urge to bug you about that sound crash for a week :)
[23:52] <dreammaster> I'm just starting to work my way through the game, now that all the game classes are implemented.
[23:54] <dreammaster> Unfortunately, it looks like there's going to be one final wrinkle apart from all the star control classes at the end of the game.. there's a music room puzzle that looks like it creates music on the fly based on various control settings. So there's a bunch more audio classes I'm going to need to dissasemble, and I'm likely going to need, sooner or later, some pointers on how to manually
[23:54] <dreammaster> populate an audio buffer
[23:54] <dreammaster> But for now, I figured to hell with it, I didn't want to have to wait any more to get some of the gameplay working ;)
[23:55] <dreammaster> Though come to that, I'm also getting hooked on Four Sided Fantasy, which was finally released yesterday, too. I can thoroughly recommend it. It's pretty fun to play
[23:56] <snover> uh-oh, a distraction! :)
[23:57] <dreammaster> Indeed. Luckily, it's the labor day long weekend coming up here in America, so even devoting some time to working on Xeen, I'm still hoping of making some progress in the game
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